Internet glimpses
Seems like my posting on “Birds of a feather” did not sit very well with some individuals. First of all, a known digitizer in the field decided to copy the contents of the entire webpages to a rebel Yahoo group which is at the moment chomping at the bits to tear ESPC to neverland. A polite email to the said person resulted in a posting on the said group declaring my private emails to be “threats” and “anger”…LOL. A complaint to Yahoo for TOS infringement quickly took care of the posting.
More glimpses into the “birds of a feather”…I received several emails from buyers of these illegal CDS who a). either paid ESPC and returned the goods or b) are sitting members of the abovesaid Yahoo group waiting to see which side the wind will blow. One of the emails was rather interesting. The person has not as yet decided what to do but is seeking professional and legal help (without spending any money ofcourse). To quote: “I’ve already spent so much on buying these design cds and have not stitched all out and now they want me to send these back and pay them”…… Okay. Well, not a problem. On various Yahoo groups where this deadly subject of “ESPC” has come up, any educating of the masses by me has met with vehement blocking of my messages by owners/moderators etc. Why would they do that?
First of all, copyright laws were not written by any one individual, rather all of us. All of us, represented by our State legislators created those laws. We believed in those individuals to make the right decisions for us. Copyright law in regards to Embroidery designs is actually very simple to understand. Purchase of designs never happens…only license to stitch out the designs is what we pay the money for. The actual designs always and always unless otherwise proven remain with the designer creating the designs. This license falls under the category of software copyright allowing the purchaser permission to stitch out the designs by the copyright holder. When an illegal copy is made with intention to sell those designs, copyright is infringed upon. This is upon the seller of the goods. How does this infringement transfer onto the buyer….quite simply by purchasing even if purchase is without knowledge that any wrong is being done. The courts may not frown upon this too much. However, if you are the buyer of illegal goods, namely designs CD, well better trot over to the nearest police station, turn in the CDs and feign innocence. This will at least get you out of the trap of being a “bad guy” if and when the actual copyright holder comes after you with infringement. A bit of the “legerdemain” unless proven….
With ESPC sending out emails to buyers in regards to purchase of illegal CDS on Ebay, well, truthfully, as I had said in “birds of a feather” they were doomed when they purchased. Legally, ESPC has every right to collect on behalf of its copyright owners to demand the goods and the moolah…could be worse…could be heavy fines if the case goes to court.
One thing I failed to mention in “birds of a feather” regarding the “birds”. These sellers (birds) who do not want those CDS to be sent to ESPC…ever wonder why? Well, every file has a thing called “properties” and once ESPC gets hold of these CDS, guess who will be hearing from them very soon. Btw, the sellers or “birds” are trying desperately to confuse, change tactics, anything to get the buyers totally wrapped in a flurry of mass confusion and “not to send” the CDS nor fines. My simple advise to those who may be the buyers in this….read all the documentations sent to you. ESPC is not a “bad guy” (and no I have no affiliation) rather it is the only thing designers especially machine embroidery digitizers have in the way of creating DMCA and NET laws to benefit them from the “pirates” of cybernet. Don’t let someone else cloud your judgement. Call the number sent to you by ESPC, talk to them, ask questions, they have no choice but to respond. Educate yourself on what is right and wrong when purchasing software. The internet is full of quality stuff in this regard…. and those “birds”…well, clearly their feathers have been ruffled. Be your own judge.
I’m one of the buyers that you have so rudely told to ante up. How do we know this organization is real and why should anyone pay them just because they tell us. It is extorsion and against our rights of freedom. Your article is rude and without facts.
J, If you are referring to ESPC, then the organization is real and exists. It is part of a very old organization which has been around since 1920′s referred to as Home Sewing Association.
I’m sorry that you found my writings rude, my apologies. I do not beat around the bush so to speak, rather say it as it is and with facts. Some may not like it but then I cannot please everyone.
Your right to freedom also has duties. The rights are only after you accept the duties. As a buyer it is your duty to ascertain that what you are purchasing is indeed correct.
Please point out which is not a fact and I will be more than happy to post an addendum. Thanks, Hugs, Sadia
Sadia,
In your response to J where you state “Please point out which is not a fact and I will be more than happy to post an addendum. Thanks, Hugs, Sadia” I would like to point out the following:
Your comment: “Your right to freedom also has duties. The rights are only after you accept the duties.”
Fact: I have an inalienable right of free speech, peaceful assembly and to petition the government for redress of grievances. These rights are conferred upon me by the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights. I have an inalienable right in any suit of common law where the value of controversy exceeds $20.00 to a trial by jury. This right is conferred upon me by the Seventh Amendment of the Bill of Rights. Nowhere in these Amendments is there a mention of duty. These are inalienable rights and are not subject to restriction or abridgement. These inalienable rights cannot be altered by any State or Federal Law. (You may want to brush up on your U.S. Constitutional Rights.)
Your comment: “First of all, copyright laws were not written by any one individual, rather all of us. All of us, represented by our State legislators created those laws.”
Fact: State legislatures are the lawmaking bodies of the 50 states in the United States of America. They are the legislative branch at the state level of government, and (generally) perform many of the same duties on the state level that the U.S. Congress performs on the federal level. As a rule, state legislative branches are checked in power by a state executive officer (a governor) and a state judiciary. What is being cited in the “letters” from the ESPC is Federal Law (i.e. US Code Title 17:101) which is enacted by Congress, not State Legislators.
Your comment: “Copyright law in regards to Embroidery designs is actually very simple to understand.”
Fact: Embroidery designs are not specifically addressed as such in the Copyright laws. The designations for Copyrights are as follows: original works of authorship fixed in any tangible medium of expression, now known or later developed, from which they can be perceived, reproduced, or otherwise communicated, either directly or with the aid of a machine or device. Works of authorship include the following categories: literary works; musical works, including any accompanying words; dramatic works, including any accompanying music; pantomimes and choreographic works; pictorial, graphic, and sculptural works; motion pictures and other audiovisual works; sound recordings; and architectural works and in no case does copyright protection for an original work of authorship extend to any idea, procedure, process, system, method of operation, concept, principle, or discovery, regardless of the form in which it is described, explained, illustrated, or embodied in such work. This does not include the all the definitions nor the multitude of other parts of U.S. Code Title 17 (of which there are 13 Chapters and 228 Sections not to mention lettered paragraphs) which address the subject matter and scope of copyright.
Your comment: “Purchase of designs never happens…only license to stitch out the designs is what we pay the money for.”
Opinion: When company A purchases company B from company C, (i.e., Bernina of American, Inc. purchasing Great Notions, Inc. from Action Tapes, Inc.) I’m sure that the copyrights go along. Otherwise, why buy a company to which you have no rights? It’s simple business economics.
Your comment: “How does this infringement transfer onto the buyer….quite simply by purchasing even if purchase is without knowledge that any wrong is being done.”
Fact: There is no such thing as infringement transfer. Either you infringe or you do not. U.S. Code Title 17:506 (i.e., Criminal offenses) states “For purposes of this subsection, evidence of reproduction or distribution of a copyrighted work, by itself, shall not be sufficient to establish willful infringement.” It says nothing about purchasing?
Fact: U.S. Code Title 17:1309(c) Act Without Knowledge states “It shall not be infringement under this section to make, have made, import, sell, or distribute, any article embodying a design which was created without knowledge that a design was protected under this chapter and was copied from such protected design.”
Your comment: “Legally, ESPC has every right to collect on behalf of its copyright owners to demand the goods and the moolah…could be worse…could be heavy fines if the case goes to court.”
Opinion: I can only say that in my opinion whether or not the ESPC has the “right to collect” (are you now asserting that they are in fact a collection agency?) is still in question and that in my opinion in the cases I have reviewed on this matter heavy fines only occur if the case does not go to court (in the form of Default Judgments).
You are right about one thing Sadia, don’t let someone else cloud your judgement.
L, thank you so much for your post. You do beautiful work copying from various websites…you don’t happen to be one of those sellers on Ebay that used to copy thousands of designs and sell them to those innocent people whose rights you so vehemently are upholding now after putting them in the mess, are you?
I really do not know if there was any point to your rambling, was there????
These are not websites I copied, these are the BILL OF RIGHTS and LAWS and DEFINITIONS I quoted! No I am not a “seller”, I have never sold a design on eBay. These were not ramblings but a direct response to your statement to give you FACTS! But, in my opinion as is generally the case in these types of issues, you seem to fall into the group of persons to whom facts are really of no importance. In my opinion as is generally the case in these types of issues, you seem to fall into the group of persons to whom bashing, making innuendos and ramblings of your own are more important to you, even when you were the one who asked that your own errors be pointed out to you. Tsk, tsk .. for shame.
L
I think the problem is with *how* the ESPC is going about doing this. Just because a CD is offered on Ebay for a low price does not mean the designs are copied. There are a lot of digitizers that have low prices, but the designs are legal. Sending a letter to individuals through regular snail mail demanding money is not the way to handle this problem, and can scare a lot of people into not buying designs from “the little guy”. And I agree that the ESPC should be showing who gets the money they collect. It does not appear that the ones holding the copyright are receiving it. Furthermore, if a person buys a CD **in good faith** and it is obviously a copy, they should report it and clear themselves before anyone can “go after them”. That would eliminate a lot of the problems.
Why doesn’t the ESPC come out and make a better effort of communicating with the embroidery community, rather than trying to hide what they are doing? They are making themselves appear to be nothing more than bullies with the tactics that they use.
I have been reading both sides, but I have not been contacted by the ESPC, so I’m just an observer. Please don’t flame me, ok?
L, thank you for your comments. Actually I should have written that please do not publish this in public anywhere, you will only embarass yourself. Every American has rights and duties. Duties/responsibilities must first be accepted before rights can be given. Yes, I know the Bill of Rights quite well and as I asked earlier in my response, the point is….? LOL…Sadia
Thank you L. It seems that you have put Sadia in her place. I for one will not be purcahsing from her again.
T, as I have posted in my various posts regarding this topic, ESPC did communicate well with the public in educating regarding the issue for a long long while. It was done in the most politest and gentlest possible methods. Not only ESPC but many many digitizers and friends in embroidery took it upon themselves to educate people not only sellers on Ebay but buyers as well. I myself did this deed every day for three years. The response was total ignorance and ridicule from both parties. There were some buyers who listened but they were very few.
I have never said in any of my posts regarding low prices…this seems to be a favorite tune of several of the “digitizers” who apparently are trying to help (NOT). In all my posts I have referred to sales of illegal CDS.
I’m a little guy in the digitizing field, I have not been hurt by any of this neither any other digitizer that I know of. BTW, you keep harping at ESPC at not knowing how to deal with public, sending letters, etc. That is perfectly legal and has been done many many times before. Nothing new. I myself have at times sent letters to those who were infringing upon my copyright and asked for cease and desist as well as compensation or they will be seeing my lawyer. There is nothing illegal about this method.
ESPC has not only helped educate the buyers who repeatedly purchased illegally and promoted the sale of illegal designs on EBAY but also have educated Ebay and sellers on Ebay as well as putting a definite stop to illegal sales of not just the companies they represent but also the little guy like me. Those who are complaining are the ones who were sellers on Ebay. They knew what they were doing and they knew it was wrong. Look at the membership list of that rebel group you represent here…how many buyers are actually saying anything. All I hear is the same voices of those who used to be sellers…twisting facts, twisting the law, misquoting the law and expecting from their loud rantings that everyone should agree. They have a definite problem and they are hiding behind those innocent buyers again to promote something they lost. Keep helping them, you are doing a good job…unless you happened to be one of them…No flames here just the absolute truth. Sadia
Grayson, thank you for your comment, I truly appreciate it. I do not think I have ever had the pleasure of your business so therefore it is no loss to me. Take care, Sadia
Excuse me, the request to not publish in public?? Pardon me, how more public can one get than a blog. Here for anyone to read. I have been following your writtings with great interest and it seems that anyone with a conflicting opinion on the subject must be a theif or a crook, in you opinion.
I object to that generalization, because you are wrong. Not everyone objecting to the tactics of the ESPC are guilty of anything. But the very fact that they may have had the audacity to question these tactics or to suggest to someone that has been attacked by gossip and innuendo, that they might stand up for those inalienable rights to free speech and due process, leaves themselves open to gossip, banning, and bashing. If you don’t want your blog read publicly then I suggest you don’t publish it on the web where anyone can see it. You certainly had no problem taking a quote from a private email and publishing it in your blog. Have we suddenly become a Nation by Sadia, and for Sadia?
I always figured turn about was fair play. Mudd
Mudd, LOL, I believe you misunderstood. It was meant as a caution. If you have not understood then it is pointless.
I’m glad you and your friends are questioning and I will definitely answer but please before posting do read up ALL the facts as they really are and not as interpreted by a novice brainchild who has suddenly discovered the law.
Btw, it doesn’t do well for those who live in glass houses to throw stones at others…
In end, I would definitely recommend a quick reading on fair use. It might help you some. Thanks, Sadia
Sadia,
Would you please be so kind as to direct me to the precise TOS paragraph which supports your position that I must have your permission to post a message that has been sent to me? I have carefully reviewed the TOS and cannot locate. Your help would be appreciated as you appear to know the TOS very well. Thank you.
Lynne
Lynne, you have me completely baffled! I was not aware there was a Terms of Service contract between you and I…..I do not even know you….Sadia
Ahhh Sadia … if you are referring to me as a “novice brainchild who has suddenly discovered the law”, while I appreciate the “brainchild” part I am in no way a “novice” to the law nor have I “suddenly discovered the law”. I don’t believe that my 13 years of interpreting laws both State and Federal (in my Country of birth) with specialized training in both constitutes a “novice” nor “suddenly discovering the law”. And again, what I did was quote the Bill of Rights, Laws and Definitions …. not interpret them. Each person who is reading your blog is interpreting them for themselves. As far as publishing this in public anywhere, I have no problem with anyone reading what I have written. The link to your site is posted numerous places and those who read this blog will make their own assessments of not only your writings but also your character.
Well … as my daddy always said, you can’t have an intelligent discussion with a turnip!
L
RESPONSE:
L, certainly 13 years is a very long time interpreting law…how is it you lost the part about responsibilities of Americans….or was it offered the day you missed the basic Civics class. If you have rights, I have rights….where did the responsibility factor go?? I suppose all prisoners should be released immediately as they do not have any responsibility……something is surely missing here, don’t you think?
You are a hoot. I’ll give you that. However, I can see that it is not I who needs to understand, but you. You apparently did not read what I wrote. In my answer, there was no mention of copyright law. I refered to a very specific freedom that we are entitled to as Citizens of the United States of America. We are not required to earn our right to free speech and even the quilty are afforded the right to their day in court and an attorney.
That my friend has nothing whatsoever to do with duty. You have the same right to your opinion that I do. I only wish you were a little more open minded and less ready to jump before you get bit. Next time you answer a comment. Why don’t you try to read what is written instead of trying to be cute. And as far as being a brainchild. It’s taken me a lot of years to develope this brain and even with the loss of some of abilities due to AGE, I’m still way ahead of you on common sense and fair play. Mudd
Response:
Mudd, if everyone has a right, then our world is surely not going to progress as everyone will only be excercising their rights all the time. Freedom is great but it also asks for some responsibilities, that is a basic Civics/History and Govt 101 class in every school. Believe me I am very open minded, if I was not so, you would not be posting here. The only reason I have allowed all to post here is so that those who have been overwhelmed and terrorized by the twisting/misrepresenting of facts can see and judge for themselves logic and reasoning.
Sadi,
I have been reading on both the so-called “Rebel Group” and here also!
First I see you like to argue! It is good you went into Law, but here in our country,
Most Lawyers, Attorney’s at Law, are looked down upon as Liars! And no Facts about them…there are always a Good, Bad, and ugly Bar Joke About Lawyers and Attorney’s.
Why do you argue with these people, and fight with them if you have nothing to gain by it??? All you are doing is hurting your self! and your sales, for one I will never purchase from you! And yes I purchase a Lot of well know legal designs and only high quality ones at that.
I have never sold any thing on EBay, or the likes of, I do not even sale things at Home or the likes I would rather give it a way first.
I do Have a New Web site, July 22nd 05 was my first day and sale..
I keep my prices Low for the retired Low income or Fixed Income people or Ladies on the groups, to me this Part is not about the Money to me as I make my Living
From doing Commercial Logo Company orders. As I own my own SWF Commercial Machines
And to give back from what I make I put up well Digitized Designs and keep the price Low. So you see I am not one of those NEW Digitizers or one of the Buyers from EBay. But I feel like you are not telling or stating Facts and that it self will
Get you in trouble; you have singled me out and telling all who read! That because I am a new Digitizer, that I come from EBay where I use to sale illegal designs, how dare you!!!
You stated that in your “Birds of a feather writings and now here!
I have In Fact been Digitizing from May 98 until now! And I have been using Bernina Artista Software, and Wilcom 8 ES.
So you see, I am not a new Digitizer, but to the public, I have only had my site for 11 months, I think it was you that said 3 years or younger was considered a new Digitizer.
Well I am not an Attorney, or Lawyer, so all I know is you are slanderous and have
Caused harm to my potential earnings and me!!!!
Also the mention of selling Low cost CD’s
This FACT alone is why I have been reading all about this issue on the so-called
Rebel group is you have chosen to take sides with ESPC,
In stating these so-called Facts! That is down right Lies. So I want that to stop!!
I Digitize every single design on my website, and have paid every Large sums of Money for the rights to use the artwork! I cannot afford you or the org to be spreading lies about CD sales and New Digitizers!!! So unless you want to be brought up in the lawsuit that will be filed you had better retract the statements
You call Facts, and watch what you say in public about people. There are no Generalizations in the Law!
Linda Watts
RESPONSE:
Hello Linda, it is nice to meet you again and this time at my website. I’m not sure where you are coming from in your post. I have certainly never singled you out so I’m confused. Kindly let me know where you are reading anything said about you at all. The rest of your post is as confusing as your slanderous statements regarding lawyers. As far as facts go, I am all for them and only post facts. Would appreciate some input as to where you are seeing slander against you.
Sadia,
Perhaps this will refresh your memory and you will be so kind as to point out exactly which “TOS” you believe was “infringed” so that one so dumb as me can understand what you are talking about and publishing on the web. Thank you.
“I am afraid I have yet again to file another complaint with Yahoo
for TOS infringement committed by one of your group members- Message
#634 in your archives being posted without my permission. It is
illegal to post private and or public emails without consent. I hope
you will remove the said post at your earliest. Thanks,
Sadia”
RESPONSE:
Thank you Lynne for letting me know the details. I see you have not found the Yahoo TOS. These were checked by you when you first created a Yahoo presence (might have been too long ago to remember). At the bottom of the Yahoo groups website you will see Terms of Service. These let you know what you can and cannot do (like infringing upon copyright). My posts on my website are copyrighted to me automatically. When you copy and paste my web pages, that is called infringement upon my rights. It is therefore my responsibility to inform you and Yahoo that you have done so. Hope this helps.
I also object to being so slanderously designated as being an illegal seller just because I’m new at this. I ran into problems with ESPC within a month of starting to sell my own designs on Ebay that I had hand drawn and digitised myself. I have since had an apology from their lawyer and an admission in writing that they do make mistakes. Too bad they almost destroyed my business in the process, but there’s no offer of compensation from them for that. Too bad that their lawyer signed a VERO form for Ebay under penalty of perjury that they owned the copyright, not me, when they knew they didn’t, and have admmitted that to me in writing. Perjury IS a CRIMINAL offence but it seems that the ESPC are the only ones allowed to make mistakes that destroy other people’s business but don’t need to pay compensation or answer for their actions.
I too will never buy any of your designs while you continue to support an organisation that, on it’s own admission, has a double standard – one set of rules for themselves and another for everyone else. How hypocritical can you get?
RESPONSE:
Angela, Perjury is a very big word. I do hope you have back ups of all this as this is a public forum and can be read by anyone…..but since you are in Australia…no one can sue you right… isn’t that what an online LAWYER (and you know for a fact that the person is a lawyer…LOL)told you. I do not care to have a customer who holds no respect for the laws and for humanity. Thanks, I will not be missing you…actually I’ve never had you as a customer so you definitely will NOT be missed.
Friends, I will leave this blog open for all to comment. Have at it. You wanted a public forum to showcase your griefs, you are more than welcome. My comment:”You can fool a few for all the time, and you may fool all for a bit of the time, but you can’t fool all for all of the time”. Hugs, Sadia
Sadia,
You need to get your facts straight before you post blogs/emails that are not true. You seem to be so high and mighty on copyright, which is fine, but to bash people that have made mistakes. I have said it in group, but if you go to Wal-Mart (R) and buy something illegal who is responsible the buyer or wal-mart. (R) They sure wouldn’t go after the buyer. They probably won’t let you post on the group because, well from what I have read what you are posting is nothing more then garbage. Sadia have you noticed a drop in your sales? The very people you are bashing, buy from digitizers like you. You talk about people taking your letter and putting it into group, but you thought NOTHING of taking part of a letter and posting it to your blog with NO credit what so ever. So isn’t that kind of calling the kettle black. (those in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones) I feel sorry for you, you bash everyone in that group and then when they reply to you, type “hugs” at the bottom of your responses. You need to get educated, and learn what copyright really is. Btw while your looking up copyrights, look up the words…
1. Compassion
2. Understanding
3. Humanity
4. Mistakes
5 forgiveness
Those are just to name a few.
Connie Perry
The above statements are my own person opinions and people need to make up their own minds on what they believe to be true and fact.
RESPONSE:
Connie, I beg to differ with you regarding bashing. I believe it is you who is doing the bashing. Those are quite large words, do you know the meaning of them?????
First off I do not post my REAL email on blogs as I have found spammers create lists from blogs, and you end up getting spam from them. So, onto the rel issue here.
Sadia, after talking to a copyright attorney in Dallas I feel you should read this. First off if an email is sent to YOU, you have the right to copy it ANYWHERE you like as it was sent to you, you are NOT protected under copyright for it. Yes, you own the email that you sent, however since you sent it to someone eldse THEY have every legal right to paste it anywhere.
Your webpage. anyone/everyone has the right to print out your webpage content and have it for legal issues for ANY reason. since it is on the web it is legally considered open public records, and may be printed to read, or take to an attorney.
Now, as far as “birds” maybe you need to consider this, I AM a digitizer, been doing it for about 4 months now and I feel ( and my copyright attorney has said) if the ESPC does NOT have a person in court, under litigation they do not have the LEGAl right to ask for the return of anything from that person. actually what the ESPC is doing is a copyright violation in itself. I do NOT want MY digitized work that took me hours, sometimes days to create going to an orginization taht is backed by large digitizing companys that may/may not see MY work, and try to copy it, or my style of digitizing. I would not send my cd over to OESD (R) and ask them to look at it, nor would I like to see my cd in the hands of the OESD (R) or attorneys for the OESD to look over. They are large enough not to need mine.
Now, I am in no way saying this is what is happening, however IF it did, would you want YOUR work/styles looked over to see what is selling?
If MY work is on one of those cd’s they are sent, say in the pack off ebay (R)that the ESPC (R) mentions that has 150,000 designs on it it is MY prolem, not the concern of the ESPC. now do they have MY permission to have someone send it to them without actual legal confrontations abound.
So, the ESPC WITHOUT legal grounds is having people send in those cd’s. that may have MY digitized work on them? or are they? who is to say that the ESPC does not have EVERY single design I ever created in their possesion? And if they are not in a legal court case they do NOT have grounds to accept thedse cds with my designs on them. Yes, they MAY have some designs on those cd’s from the larger digitizers they represent, but by demanding the other designs on those cd;s without actually being in court they are NOT protected by the law, and CAN be held liable in court for copyright infringment themselves.
This is the problem I have. They are collecting money from people who may or may not know they are purchasing illegal designs from Ebay(R) that may/may not contain designs from other digitizers. so, who is the bad guy here? the digitizer that has concerns over the ESPC (R)and their tactics? or the people who back the ESPC(R) and say they are a “good thing”?
Sadia, be careful on WHO you are backing, The ESPC (R) may not be exactly what you think they are. Hitler was backed by his german followers who thought he was a good thing, MA BELL (R) was thought to be a good thing, and so forth, but do you see them still around? no, it was found that the trading practices of ma bell(R) was not legal, hitler..well everyone knows that story. The practices that the ESPC(R) is using may be found illegal, and I for one will do MY best to see that IF the ESPC has ANY of MY designs in their possesion they WILL be legally bound to MY copyright. they do NOT have MY permission to retrieve MY designs from ANYONE! and IF they have MY designs then they will need to contact MY attorney in Dallas, and settle with ME for what they have done.
In this “birds” story you have compiled, you need to get it strait, I for one have NEVER violated ANYONES copyright, nor have I purchased designs from Ebay(R) however I am VERY concerned on how the ESPC is acting. They have no legal recourse to demand any cd with MY designs on them without being in litigation, in court, protected under a legal system, and the cd itself being locked up as evidence where no one else but the legal system has access to it.
My two cents worth of your “birds”
The above contents are copyrighted under MY legal rights, the statement above is MY personal opinion and may/may not be the truth in whole or part. The above statements may or may not be actual events unless proven in a court of law to be true. I ask everyone who reads MY personal statments above to take a moment, and find out the truth on copyright.
RESPONSE:
Haha! But your comment/post belongs to me now as it is posted on my website along with your signature….so I can copy/paste and send it to anyone I like and it can be used by me to showcase anything I want because it is mine now. LOL…c’mon, you can’t have it both ways.
Sadia, you are a talented digitizer but you may have “cut your own throat” with your comments. I usually create my own designs. I have never sold any but have given away a lot. This is not a business for me. At least not yet and very likey will never be at my age. I buy a great deal on Ebay but as I said, I seldom buy designs. I have bought software on Ebay and once it turned out to be illegal. I reported it to Ebay & Pay Pal & got my money back. I have not gotten one of the infamous letters. I don’t believe anyone in Texas has but that is just my presumption.
RESPONSE:
Hello Wanda, thanks for your comments. I am not sure how I have cut my own throat (thanks for caring though). Don’t worry about not getting the infamous letter as I have bid many many times on the illegal sales on Ebay and no letter yet either, LOL. Never mind I never paid the sellers, sent them a letter saying illegal designs! Why would you think that Texas is excluded??
Sadia,
By the way, I forgot to mention my last name is Perry, yes, Connies husband from above. I am ALSO on the “rebel group” you have stated is full of sellers on EBay(R) who sell ellegal designs, and “knew they did somehing wrong”
hmmmmm Sadia, I THINK you should stop chatting, as you are putting yourself in a VERY bad light here.
I have NEVER sold anything illegal on Ebay, or anywhere else for that matter. and as our attorney said. Print EVERYTHING out and send it to me.
Angela, the attorney in Dallas would LOVE to see your letter I am sure. (a guess here, as this is the first I have heard of this letter about a “mistake”) his name, address, and phone number are listed in the group.
Sadia, again, I am NOT an illegal seller on Ebay (R) however I do sell on Ebay, and MY cd’s with over 1500 digitized files are sold all the time for under fifteen dollars, I have NEVER given artwrok with my cd, I always have “copies” of my disk, I have also sent out “second chance offers” . Does this mean I sell illegal designs? acording to the ESPC website it does. If you go to http://www.embroideryprotection.org/consumer.html it CLEARLY states that I MUST have counterfeit designs.
Now Sadia, is this the kind of company you WANT to be associated with? or have anyone thinking that you back them? Come on Sadia….you know as well as everyone else reading this blog that it is NOT what is right.
unfair trading practices? slander? liable? the statments on THAT website are all the above arent they? you say you have taken up law? in THIS country?
ohhhh my.
I am just a man………………………..right?
Bart PERRY
RESPONSE:
Bart, I could let your webhost and email account server know that you are harassing! No I do not see anywhere on ESPC that you are selling illegal designs…are you?
Sadia, when quoting it is proper to correctly quote and give credit to the source, cite or author. The statement to which you refer is as follows:
“You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.”
This quote is attributed to Abraham Lincoln, the 16th President of the United States of America (1809-1865)
L
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Thank you Lynne, that was kind of you to look it up. It is a great quote, don’t you think? How about this one:
“Now it is not good for the Christian’s health
To hustle the Aryan brown,
For the Christian riles and the Aryan smiles,
And it weareth the Christian down.
And the end of the fight
Is a tombstone white
With the name of the late deceased
And the epitaph drear: “A fool lies here
who tried to hustle the East.”
Sadia,
I have visited your website many times and am in awe of your talent and skills at digitizing. Your work is beautiful. I have a wish list of your designs but as of yet have not been able to purchase them.
I am disappointed at your comments and your response to comments by other digitizers. You make and have made accusatory statements, yet when questioned or called on them you start to back paddle and not answer the question directly and clearly.
I wonder if I had a question about a design of yours would I get a direct answer ?
I see no professalism in your statements nor your attitude as one would expect from such a professionally done website. I am not saying that you must agree with what other peoples views are, you are entitled to your own opinion, but I think your comments need to be handled in a business like manner and not be so slanderous. My wish list has dwindled which will not hurt your business as I have not purchased yet. But, it is a sale that you did lose and remember in the world we live in businesses grown by word of mouth.
Maybe, just possibly if you go back and retract some of your statements and accusations, you can redeem your self.
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Drammaw, I appreciate your comments truly but I’m not sure where you are finding accusatory statements. I am sorry you do not see professionalism, could you let me know how it should be?
Friends, to all the above comments, I truly am glad to see them. I see the “birds” have flocked here to raise chaos, please continue. It is only serving a greater purpose…that of showcasing your true lack of knowledge. Btw, I would love to know which copyright attorney is being quoted above….Drammaw, you are more than welcome to ask any questions, I’m open book here…not a problem. However, I do not see you as a customer in my books anywhere, perhaps you use another name.
One thing I will say to all friends and please understand once and all times. This is my blog. I can write what I know and see here. Your comments are answered politely without the personal attacks. If you do not like something, why bother with it. Aha, but you are bothered because it is the TRUTH, LOL. HUGS, Sadia
No Sadia, I am not bothered by your difference of opinion. Everyone has a difference of opinion (which incidentally ties directly into our RIGHT to free speech), however, I am bothered by the fact you espouse knowledge of United States Laws and rights yet you refuse to elucidate as to your credentials even though you have been asked by others. From your “bio” I see that were born in Pakistan. Have you lived or emigrated to the United States? If you have not lived in the United States for a sufficient enough time to understand and have been impacted by our rights and laws, how can any credence be given to any of your positions regarding the infringement of copyright in the United States? It is not pragmatic to believe that a law degree from another country would provide anyone with the necessary skills to either make interpretations nor to presume to advise United States citizens on what their rights are and whether or not they have broken the laws of the United States. And, yes, we are talking about Copyright laws of the United States. Not international copyright which is a totally different venue. So please elucidate. You might get some back some credence if you were a little more forthcoming. However, I suspect that once again, you will probably skirt the issues and blather on about “birds” and “infringment transfers” and more bunk with LOL’s and hugs attached. You state in your “bio” that you also have a background in public relations. Might I suggest you use those skills.
L
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L, first of all, I do not need any credence from someone who claims they know the law and yet fail to see both sides of it. Thank you very much, but no. Since you have years of experience in the law, did you know that there are two scales? Why is that?
Sadia,
You question my credentials yet when provided with my credentials and later asked about your own credentials, you suddenly deem it as “personally attacking”. How convenient. All of my postings tie directly to the “issue in question”, that being your comments as to what you deem:
1) to be our freedoms/duties,
2) how copyright laws are written,
3) how simple the copyright laws are to understand,
4) purchases of designs,
5) infringement transfer, and
6) the legality of the right to collect
It does not appear that you can say that to be true of all of your postings on this blog. It seems that you skirt the issues, refuse to justify your position and cry “personal attack” all the while taunting and attempting to demeen those who would respond with their own “opinion”.
Again, tsk, tsk, for shame.
L
Response:
L, I do not even know your real name. However looking in my database your email does pop up so if you can provide me with your true name I can then perhaps determine who you are. As to providing your credentials…LOL. My dear, we live in the age of the internet….anybody can be anyone. You could write your credentials to be the King of Siam. Should I just accept them.
Sadia,
Yes, an e-mail address does show up. If I gave you my “real name”, under your premise that “My dear, we live in the age of the internet….anybody can be anyone.” how would you know that it was my “real name”? Again Sadia, more posturing, changing the subject and never an answer as to the real issues? By the way, I find your response to my previous quote of Abraham Lincoln in EXTREMELY BAD TASTE …… particularily in light of the tragedies of 9-11 … and it is an insult and highly offensive to me and my pride as an American.
L
RESPONSE:
L, if you sent me your real name then I would know who you are as the email address that you are using belongs to someone whom I have had communications with….As to your twisting the meaning of the quote (did you look it up as to who said it and why??)LOL, as an American then, why would you make a comment regarding who and where I come from (look in your earlier post) hence a good quote response to you, don’t you think. C’mon, you can say all kinds of words and then when someone responses, you hide behind the flag, tsk tsk tsk…
Sadia,
I did not understand your response that “…if you sent me your real name than I would know who you are as the email address that you are using belongs to someone whom I have had communications with….” Did you mean to imply that you have the name of someone using this e-mail address that you have had prior communications with this person outside of this blog? If that is the case, I do not know of whom you speak and it is not I.
As to my twisting the meaning of your “quote”, no I do not believe that I twisted the meaning at all. I believe that you posted your response in exactly the manner you did so as to offend and insult me and my pride as an American. Otherwise, you would have posted that this was the Solo from Libretto of Naulahka and cited the author as Rudyard Kipling and stated some relavence in quoting this. I believe your intent in how you posted this response is obvious and as I stated before find it in EXTREMELY BAD TASTE.
I never commented negatively as to where you “came” from. If you will go back and read my post of June 3, 2006 @ 3:11 a.m. I stated and asked:
“From your ‘bio’ I see that you were born in Pakistan. Have you lived or emigrated to the United States? If you have not lived in the United States for a sufficient enough time to understand and have been impacted by our rights and laws, how can any credence be given to any of your positions regarding the infringement of copyright in the United States? It is not pragmatic to believe that a law degree from another country would provide anyone with the necessary skills to either make interpretations nor to presume to advise United States citizens on what their rights are and whether or not they have broken the laws of the United States.”
Regarding your statement that I hide behind my flag …. I do not hide behind my flag. I cherish it, I honor it and I pledge my allegiance to it. I am PROUD to be an American and I am PROUD to proclaim that I am American. Will you say the same?
Sadia, you continue to refuse to address the issues at hand. How you justify your positions on copyright infringement. I believe you continue to attempt to cloud the issues through a multitude of insults, taunts and ramblings of your own. That said, I have tired of attempting to discuss the “issues” with you. It is obvious to me that you will never justify any of your statements but simply continue to skirt the issues, cry “personal attack”, misquote and misrepresent all the while laughing at how “clever” you believe you are.
In future, should you choose to actually address the issues intelligently and in an articulate manner, send me a message at the Yahoo “rebel group” you referred to so in your original post. You know the one. You’ll find my posts under the name …… L
Response:
L, did you read the why? Apparently not otherwise you would not need to say anything more. And it has nothing to do with being an American, LOL. Seems to me being an American by your standards is to grant everyone the rights but never any responsibilities. Did you find out whether the scales of justice are one or two? Do you know that the Copyright Laws HAVE changed to accomodate digital files and the recognition of them. You want me to address issues, then please ask me what issue. I’ll be more than happy to answer.
Uh which group would you be referring to. I am a member of only a handful of groups and none of them are “rebel” groups. You came here seeking to belittle, bicker and to point fingers. I did not ask you to come and write your posts so if you want me to give any answers, I will not be the one doing the chasing. As for intelligence….uh, there are considerable doubts when someone who claims to be sooooo knowledgable only can view one side and not the other. Pray, are you a seller or a buyer that received the illfated letter? Good luck, good fortune.
I am sick and tired of reading lies from Angela, who purports to be an innocent victim of the ESPC. No where has she admitted all the money she has made on Ebay selling counterfeit CDs of someone else’s designs, not her own work. When she was selling as embroidery2go, virtually every single auction she had (and she had many – see her feedback) was for bootleg designs. Here is just one example:
http://1url.org/go/1z2std
Check for yourself. Several of the dogs pictured are from OESD:
http://1url.org/go/11pp
Here is an auction for Janome Not Just Knots designs:
http://1url.org/go/16jfmt
So you see, she is not so innocent after all. And neither are many of the other pirate sellers complaining so loudly. And I’m not so sure all the buyers are so innocent, either. Ignorance of the law is no defense. Come on, people, wise up. If you’re truly innocent, you have nothing to fear. If you goofed, pay the consequences and learn from it. If you are guilty, then admit it, pay for your crimes, and do better next time!
RESPONSE:
Thank you DR for this information. I appreciate it as I’m sure many others who were the recipients of the letter from ESPC and customers (buyers) of the named seller on Ebay.
I hesitate to leave answer here because of the mean spiritedness that has been going on. This whole thing started as request for clearification on a blog that you started Sadia. Someone responded to the blog with questions for you that to this point have gone unanswered. I feel sorry for you that you feel you must negatively attack almost everyone that has some kind of response to yout blog. If you did not expect or want to receive criticism for your words, then why have a place to leave a comment. I have not really seen a response that told you that everything you said was right and 100% factual and that they stand behind you. I have seen people tell you that you do good work. Good for you on that point. The only true consistant thing that I have seen on this blog is the continuing request of you to answer the questions that were posed and for an explaination of how you have come to the conclusions that you have. Now I am sure that you are going to attack me for my comments, go ahead, if it makes you feel better about yourself, knock your socks off. I am not worried about what you think of me or my opinions. The one thing that I am worried about is that you might be heading down a path that will come back to bite you later. If you have made “friends” with or in the ESPC and then they are taken down in some way shape or form, don’t kid yourself for a second that you won’t be going with them. There is such a thing as guilt by association. The other thing is that I ask that you please look at the copyright laws again. My husband deals with them everyday. He has been on both sides of the copyright issue. He has had to defend his clients when they have been accused of copyright violation and has also had to tell potentenal clients of what exactly the law is. In all of these conversations, it has been made abundantly clear that it is not against the law to buy copyrigthed material. It only becomes illegal when there is the intent to profit from it. That is where the burden of proof falls to the ESPC to prove their claims. In all the letters that I have seens, and no before you even say it, I have not gotten one, that is where they fall short. Just because Grandma buys a Dora design from Ebay to sew out for her granddaughter does not make her a criminal. If she did it for a craft fair, then they might have a case. But again, the burden of proof is on them.
So, having said all that, if you feel the need to respond negatively and attack my response in any way, knock your socks off. It is a public forum and everyone can read it for themselves.
RESPONSE:
Jenny, let us stick to the facts and not hearsay. Buying copyright material is not a crime. However once shown that you have purchased copyright material (regardless of whether you profited or not) then definitely makes the purchaser part and parcel of an infringement which is a Federal offence. BTW, if you are neither buyer/seller, why are you bothered?
Bothered, no. Concerned yes. Unfortunately, the intent to profit is what makes it a federal offense. That is sticking to the facts. And I never said anything about myself being a buyer or a seller. I do have some questions. Why is it that you are so ademant about defending the practices of the ESPC?
Have you been stolen from and had those designs on Ebay or somewhere else? Did you sign an agreement with the ESPC to act on your behalf? Just curious.
RESPONSE:
Well, then I guess anyone that makes any money anywhere is committing a crime, according to what you said. Ask your Copyright Lawyer husband again please, LOL. If you are neither buyer nor seller, then why are you concerned?
Have I been stolen from? Yes, countless times and I have no affiliation with ESPC except that I believe in their work towards helping not just the digitizers but also the customers and standing up to promote laws protecting both sides and for pursuing those who infringe upon the rights of digitizers.
I really didn’t want to leave a response, but if I don’t the you might just misinterpret it as that you have put me in my place. But, after reading your response, I had to.
I’m sorry, but I don’t understand this sentence: Well, then I guess anyone that makes any money anywhere is committing a crime, according to what you said.
It really has nothing to do with anything I have said. I never said that anyone who makes money must be a criminal. I also have never said anything about my husband being a lawyer. I just said that he deals with copyrights every day. You do not have to be a lawyer to know the laws. Inorder to get your driver’s lic, you need to know the laws, but not everyone that drives is a lawyer.
After reading all of your blogs and the responses, I am sure that you feel very attacked. I am glad that you have something to believe in. I am glad that you hold onto your belief regardless too. But it is like I stated in my first email, this all started out with questions to you that went unanswered. Then it became somewhat mean spirited on your part when certains things were pointed out.
I am sure that you will reply to this with some sort of pointless LOL or some other anagram. It doesn’t really matter. And as for the concern about me being neither a buyer or seller, why does that matter to you? Is it not enough that someone can watch out for someone else? You watch out for the ESPC and I will watch out for those the they extort from.
Response:
Jenny, first my apologies for saying your husband is an attorney, I misunderstood. However, my question still stands. If you dh is so knowledgable on copyright then please do ask what happens when notification of infringement is received, is the recipient still innocent? You claim ESPC to commit extortion, how do you say that and do you have proof.
I have answered all queries, if there is something you missed, please ask again. And I do not want to disappoint you, so here is my LOL and HUGS, Sadia
I find these comments extremely amazing.
Once a buyer downloads counterfeit designs, either from an email or from a disk, the buyer is guilty of reproducing. Receiving stolen goods is a federal crime. If the FBI so chooses, that person can be prosecuted criminally. Regardless, the copyright owner has a cause for civil action.
People who have received stolen designs should ‘fess up, pay up, and be done with it.
The sellers and sharers are the lowest scum of the earth.
RESPONSE:
Thank you Tess, simple words, simple logic.
Sadia don’t play me for a fool. Of course I have ” back ups”. I have the written communication directly from ESPC’s lawyer apologising to me for having “mistakenly” veroed me on Ebay and the communication from Ebay stating that the ESPC had signed a form under penalty of perjury that I had infringed their copyright. All I need do is have that form subpoenad any time I need to. To have signed that form “mistakenly” I believe is no defence – the ESPC clearly states this in their communications. Again Sadia, you can’t have it both ways.
For mine, it is you and the ESPC who have no regard for the law. You have become judge, jury and executioner on something you know nothing about and tar us all with the same brush regardless. May I remind you that, as you rightly point out, this is a public forum and you are just as much at risk of being read as anyone else. Yes I did post on a forum – which is what you’ve obviously read – but do you really think I was stupid enough not to get “proper” legal advice? This is exactly what I mean about shouting your mouth off on something you know absolutely nothing about and making assumptions based on what you read on forums. Like we say in the industry (yes my REAL job is working with publications which includes regular contacts with specialists in copyright law – hence my “real” legal advice) “is it true or did you read it in the media?”. You have based your assumptions entirely on what you have read on the internet and consequently have absolutely no credibility in your assesments. You have also failed to heed your own advice. – so what credibility does that give you in dishing advice out? Absolutely none!
NB: Since I have the written apology from the ESPC’s lawyer, along with an invitation to join them which I declined to take up, I have no worries where I am based. There is no case against me, on their own admission.
RESPONSE:
Angela/Madeline, that is great that you have this documentation, keep it safe.
By the way, embroidery2go is not me and never has been me. Again, get your facts straight before you publically accuse people of things for which you you have no proof and never will have, because they are simply not true. Don’t you think that if it were true, the ESPC would know about it? They’d hardily be apologising to me if it were true, would they? And they’d have taken action long before now if it were true.
There are many Angela’s in this world, and you appear to have confused me with this person. Do you really think that if I was this person I’d be so vocal on the message boards? Get real! I’d hardily be using my real name now would I???
RESPONSE:
Angela, you have a right just as much as the other person. My understanding is that you sold goods to DR and she has therefore posted the url of the auction due to which she has been sent out the letter by ESPC. As far as an apology letter, we only have your word on it, right. Btw, what is your Ebay seller ID if not what DR has said it to be.
Okay DR I challenge you – PUT UP your non-existant “evidence” or RETRACT YOUR LIE. Vague linkages as a figment of your imagination are NOT evidence. I want cold hard evidence. Like my bank account statements or my paypal statements that prove I am this person you claim I am. All you’ve got is a person who may have sold on Ebay at one stage and another person who is selling on Ebay now, selling entirely different stuff and you, somehow, THINK these people to be the same person. Where is the evidence in that? That we are both Australian? Well I have news for you mate. There are 20 million people living in Australia!
Of course you won’t be able to post any proof because you don’t have any. You’ll never be able to provide any REAL evidence, because NONE EXISTS.
RESPONSE:
Hmm, now why would DR have access to your bank account statements or your paypal statements? As far as evidence goes she has proven it by showing the url of the ebay auction and the goods you sold her.
Now I wonder who “DR” really is????
The comments on my original post took a lot of time to come up with and are not exactly credible, so how better to try and silence a person than to throw mud and hope it sticks?
Come on – come clean and identify yourself, who ever you are!
RESPONSE:
Angela,that is a lame way to start a rumour don’t you think. I have no control over time frame of posting. Besides, the difference in time zones would hardly make me awake at the time you wrote your post….a bit of the twisting again, are we??
There are ways to find out the true identity of buyers and sellers on Ebay. Come on, Angela. If you are so innocent, why are you working so hard to sabotage the ESPC’s efforts at curbing the design piracy on Ebay? If you are truly innocent and trying to make an honest buck digitizing your own designs, then why wouldn’t you want the pirates on Ebay to disappear????? It can’t help your own sales to have these folks burning copies of other people’s designs and selling them for pennies. One has to wonder at your motivation in this.
RESPONSE:
Well said DR and my thoughts exactly. Anyone who is a digitizer would certainly not want the illegal sales to start again, so why would any digitizer rally against an organization that is doing everything to stop that…..
Because, They are targeting any new Digitizers, that are younger than 3 years.
This is the only reason I am Reading and watching what is going on, I do not want the Brand new Ladies and older ones that get into Embroidery to think that We the Digitizers/ sellers are all Bad!!!!!!!!
Sadie, I did not respond to your comment to me, why bother? you do not want the truth. you wrote that all new digitizers that are 3 years or younger,
Sale priated designs…and I am here to tell you and the ESPC! that that is sterio typing and it is a LIE… you can not group new Digitiers that sale CD’S for Low fees as selling Stolen designs. you said you do not recall saying anything about me???
If you wrote those statments That I just typed then you are saying that about me, as I have a New 1 year old site, and I have a CD, with Marker writing on the label, and I sale it for a Low price…
it is all mine I digitized every single design on it with my 2 hands..
and I swear before my Lord that it is all mine…..And By Law I sould not have to defend what is mine….the proof needs to come from you!!
so I ask you to take that statment off of you public blog and to stop !
writing that, because you are in fact slandering my good name….
and my website and my CD Sales…so I will in public tell you one more time to take it down!!!!!
Linda Watts
I do not hide behind fake names or any thing else, I am Standing Tall Beside my Name and my honesty…..
RESPONSE:
Linda, I’m totally confused. Who has said that new digitizers are being targetted or that they are bad. That was a comment you wrote. I know many new digitizers that are excellent not just in work but also character. Yes, there are some that lack character and are only in for the sake of auto producing mass designs for the sake of flooding the market. I did not take any names, therefore I’m sorry but you have misread and have jumped to a conclusion without reading.
I would like to say that in no way do I stand by anyone on here but myself!!!
and I do not know this DR, ? or the Angela?!!!!
I am just answering why I am here and Why I am against the ESPC!!!
and Sadies Staments.. I did just notcie that Sadie did take down the Birds of a feather blog she put up.
but I want you to know that, by posting things like that in the public or spreading info like that? it could hurt inocent people…so please be careful
and thanks for removing the statments…
Linda W ps… my work is done here….for all the other people who know if you did right or wrong, if guilty clean your agt up!
if you are not guilty, then stand heside your beliefs.. This is ours to defend..
Linda
Response:
And it is a good belief to stand by but it is also a good idea to read thoroughly before jumping to conclusion. I have not taken anything down and have no intentions of doing such. Again, you are misreading and misinterpreting.
Exactly Sadia. DR has no evidence that this person was me as she claims. All she has shown that SOMEONE sold her the designs and that those were counterfeit. She is unable to show that that SOMEONE was me and never will be able to because it is a lie.
By the responses you have supplied it is crystal clear that you have no evidence to support any of the claims on your blog. However,it is timely to point out that as you so rightly state, you now own all the comments on this blog. If anything posted here is libelous, then you are every bit as culpable as the person who posted it.
I rest my case.
I don’t intend to communicate with you any further since all you do is dig your own hole further and I am not prepared to assist you in that any longer.
Good luck – you’re going to need it.
RESPONSE:
Angela, I only hope that instead of anger you can at least hear the other person. DR showed your auction on Ebay and what she purchased from you. I have asked you for your Ebay ID which now you are hesitant to provide. If you have nothing to hide and if you are NOT the person that DR claims you to be, then you would have no problem in letting us know your Ebay ID, would you.
As far as owning the comments, unfortunately I do not. I have a log of who has posted and from which internet provider. Hmmm, someone else also told me that I was digging a hole…actually not, LOL. Thank you for your wishes, same to you. Hugs, Sadia
It’s interesting that these people from the so-called “rebel” group can’t stay away from your blog. They sure like to stir up trouble wherever they can. I guess they don’t have enough supporters in their group, so they figure they will come here and hopefully be noticed. They know you are well-known and have a lot of visitors to your site.
I also find it interesting that their rules state: “There is to be no harassing, flaming, or bickering.” Yet, they can flame you in their group. I saw one post by someone and she called you a twit. I noticed that that message has now been removed (as were quite a few other messages). Too bad I saved it, so if you want it, just let me know. They preach about the ESPC (and you should read some of the lies and junk they come up with about them) and just because you stick up for the ESPC (which 90% of the digitizers do) they are attacking you. The 10% who are against the ESPC are the ones in that group who are posting all their lies. I am sure most of them are not even digitizers, but people who sold or bought on Ebay and got caught with their pants down.
Another stated that you were from Pakistan and wondered if you were here legally! They thought they should check with the INS to see if you were a possible terrorist. I can’t believe the things they come up with. I am sick and tired of their lies and they need to be shut down. I am going to notify Yahoo about the group. This is going too far and I think it’s about time the tables get turned.
I did not state names, and won’t, but I am sick and tired of their lies and they are the ones twisting the facts (like others in your blog have stated). They don’t need to attack you personally. Anybody that sticks up for the ESPC they attack. I am sure 95% of the members in that group are for the ESPC but are just there to watch what’s going on and are afraid to post anything, for fear that they will get attacked personally also.
They actually make me sick!
Just had to get this off my chest.
RESPONSE:
Another Little Mouse, do you know the easiest way to get someone excited? Why, just talk nasty about them and that will take them off the path of thinking they were and onto something different. LOL, these are childish tactics, to attack personally and viciously. I am still standing today so I do not care about personal insults. Interesting though that why the “rebel” group should veer off the topic of ESPC to attack myself…interesting more that all those messages are gone. Reality is that the blogs and the facts written in them hurt the “birds” too much therefore they have no choice but to retaliate, which is their right. Nevertheless, I wish you would not take this seriously but just let time and the “birds” hang themselves. HUGS, Sadia
I know I said I wasn’t going to post again but this one was just too good to pass up.
Take a look at your past comments Sadia. You categorically stated you owned the comments on this blog – unless you’ve realised your fatal mistake and have removed them as you did when you realised the mistakle you’d made in comments to me and changeds them quick smart.
In the response to my postings, Sadia, you reveal something that only one person and I have discussed. That is, there is only one person who can’t work out what my Ebay IDis. Even you (posting as DR) say it is simple – so how come you can’t do it? Are you really that inept Sadia oopps i mean DR aka Maria L aka another little mouse aka Tess and all the other names you post under?
YES, I KNOW WHO YOU ARE!
Not that I really needed this slip up of yours – your linguistic “fingerprint” gives you away every time. The same unique linguistic features appear time and time again all the smoke and mirrors you create, but the knowledgeable, trainined in this area, can pick it as easily as a photograph. You can’t hide the fact that you learned American English as a second language and are a female from Asia (not the middle East), specifically Pakistan, Bangladesh , India or Sri Lanka. Even the chosen name of “another little mouse” is such a typical literal traslation, Sadia, that you just hand me the evidence on a platter. Add that to your unique lingusitic features – the ones everyone develops over a lifetime that are unique to each individual – and it’s child’s play to a linguistic specialist to identify all your personas as the one person – that is, Sadia.
Now please explain to to the others why you feel it necessary to conceal YOUR identity in so many personas. Don’t bother to explain it to me because I’m not interested in your lame ramblings.
I KNOW WHY!
(Hint 1: being banned from groups for flaming means you have to get another identity. Hint 2: If you don’t have any REAL supporters, you might need to invent some)
RESPONSE:
Yes, Angela, I own all the blogs, I do NOT however, own comments from other people, like the comment you wrote above.
Hmmm, not sure where you are trying to lead Angela, but if you think that I am the one posting all the comments here and trying to have a “one of one” psycho type conversation, please you insult me. Ofcourse, I speak English, and I’m glad you think that I speak it so well that I can sound like the others. And as far as being banned from groups, well my friend, I have never been banned from any group, rather I have left the group. Sorry, but your weak attempt did not work out, I am I and all the others are themselves, sorry. Hugs, Sadia
This is getting absolutely hysterical! I can’t believe the twisted way some people think! (No names – but if the shoe fits …………..)
Sadia – some of the comments posted to previous blog entries are difficult to find, which is why some people accuse you of removing things. They just don’t know how to navigate the blog. Maybe that is why my identity was not listed as one of the ones that you are being accused of creating, but for anyone with doubts – Sadia did not create me. I was born and raised in the USA, and so were my parents, grandparents, and great grandparents, and beyond. I speak for myself, and not because anyone asked me to.
I wish there was some way for the ESPC to know in advance if a buyer was innocently thinking what they had purchased was legitimate, so that the other victims of the greedy criminals who steal other people’s work and attempt to profit from it would not be further hurt. But they do need to turn in illegal discs, just as the buyer of a stolen car does not get to keep it.
And I wish the legal process for coming down hard on the criminals didn’t take so long. But most of all, I wish everyone would just be honest, and stop trying to make the fast buck at someone else’s expense, and then try to justify and deny their actions. Again, that statement was not directed at any one person, I don’t know who you are. But I repeat ……………… if the shoe fits ………………………wear it.
These statements are my own personal opinions, totally unsolicited, and I have no affiliation with Sadia, the ESPC, or any one else. I just want to do something I love, and not worry about someone stealing it, and making more money than I do.
RESPONSE:
Another Watcher, the blogs are posted by date and month. Nothing has been removed and yes I can see where some may think that somethings have been removed if they didn’t pay attention to which post they commented.
We can all wish for a lot of things but the main thing perhaps that I wish for is understanding of what the other person is saying before jumping to conclusion. If everyone paid attention to what ESPC and many many friends were saying before all this method of ESPC happened, well, none of this would be happening right now, would it.
Please continue to do what you love, do not let the “birds” get to you, they know what they were doing was wrong. They enticed innocents into their illegal activities and now they (as is their nature) hide behind all kinds of twisting and turning of facts, laws etc to baffle those that were buyers. Truth and justice prevails in the end, I believe in it and I hope all others who believe will also hold fast. Hugs, Sadia
Angela, I can’t believe you can be so fast to accuse Sadia of all the lies you post. I AM NOT Sadia. It is just another example of how fast you can shoot off your lies without having the facts. Just like you do in your little “rebel” group. You keep saying you are not going to post anything here any more, but yet you keep coming back and tell more lies. Why don’t you stay in your rebel group where you can hang out with your kind.
Sorry, Sadia. I know you didn’t start this blog to have it turn out to be a fight. It’s the rebel group that started all this and I am sick and tired of their lies and accusations. I hope they all get what’s coming to them after the ESPC really gets done with them!
RESPONSE:
Another Little Mouse, LOL, truth hurts did you know and if Angela is not guilty and not the ID that DR posted, she has nothing to worry about or does she because she is indeed that person….LOL. Hugs, Sadia
It seems to me that so many people who think it’s their right to break the laws of our land and who have so much time to complain and refuse to recognize those laws must not be engaged in productive activities – in other words, have no life.
How about those of you who are so indignant about a digitizer’s efforts to protect his/her hard work try working for a living? And how about trying to sell the fruits of your labor in a market where more than half of your work is stolen?
The training involved in learning to digitize quality designs is hard work in itself. The software is expensive and as you know, so are the machines and supplies. Many hours and days go into digitizing and testing a design. Why should you advocate preventing a digitizer from being able to recupe his/her expenses, as well as being paid a decent wage for his/her hard work? And it is not cheap to digitize a good design that will stitch out well on our machines, so no one who provides you with a qualtiy design can afford to offer it at a cheap price.
Some digitizers work at home because they have to do so, because they have a family to support, or because they are handicapped. They count on the income from selling licenses to people to use their designs to pay their bills.
Why not start helping to make this a better world by accepting and living by the laws of our land. Then perhaps we can begin to see more peace in our hearts and then maybe in our families. I may sound idealistic, but isn’t it our sins against our fellow man that rob us of the peace we need so much?
RESPONSE:
US, I couldn’t have said it better than what you wrote. Thank you. Hugs, Sadia
I agree with what US has stated. That should say it all and end this.
I have found something interesting.
DR said (6/5/06): [quote]I am sick and tired of reading lies from Angela, who purports to be an innocent victim of the ESPC. No where has she admitted all the money she has made on Ebay selling counterfeit CDs of someone else’s designs, not her own work. When she was selling as embroidery2go, virtually every single auction she had (and she had many – see her feedback) was for bootleg designs. Here is just one example:
http://1url.org/go/1z2std
Check for yourself. Several of the dogs pictured are from OESD:
http://1url.org/go/11pp [end quote]
I went to look at the embroidery2go feedback to see what other illegal things she has sold. Interestingly, her feedback is now private so no one can see it.
embroidery2go is among us!
Small, independent digitizers should love ESPC. While they only set out to protect their members’ designs, they certainly have made a huge dent in the illegal market.
Sadia, I support what you’re trying to do in terms of education. I am sorry to see these ugly comments to you.
I think the dirtiest pigs squeal the loudest.
For once I agree with you Sadia. I think it’s time I stopped trying to converse with a psycho.
RESPONSE:
LOL, Angela. I guess I should take this as an insult but actually it is adding weight to the belief that you are indeed the person DR pointed out. Why would you hesitate to show what your Ebay ID is? I’m sorry my friend, but you just lost this round really bad. Hugs, Sadia
Sadia, after reading your comments, all I can say is I’m glad I’ve never bought any of your designs….
You are not the type of person I like to deal with… you are a mean, rude person.
Response:
Thank you Deborah, I appreciate your comment. However I cannot understand how you determine someone to be rude or mean. If it is based upon the blogs, well, then you didn’t get it. You’ve just admitted that I’m the mean and rude person trying to stop those who infringe upon others, who take advantage of other’s situations…and that you find to be rude and mean, LOL. My friend, take care. Hugs, Sadia
Sadia, you really do have an attitude problem, and not everyone is out to steal your designs!
Your tone in your replies just ooozes hate and malcontent….
Chill out..
I have never knowingly bought a pirated design, but I really see no way of stopping it 100%….. The internet is too big for even you to control..
Deborah
Response:
Deborah, thank you for your comments. I’m still surprised at how you determine someone to be rude and mean and having hate and malcontent oozing from them. Now you wouldn’t happen to be one of those wonderful friends who believe that piracy of designs is OKAY to do, done in the name of sharing so to speak. My friend, we are all doomed if we do and doomed if we don’t. Make up your mind. On the one hand you would like to see education for the newcomers but oh please do not frighten them by giving all the copyright details yet on the other hand when those that are caught doing the sharing, the comment then is well, we didn’t know any better, no one told us. Excuse me, but I think it is time to understand that no one is perfect, least of all myself. But, at least I’m doing something about it rather than just sitting and watching it happen. I hope you can find the goodness in your heart to understand my efforts and as I respect you, you can respect me by understanding the situation I and many other digitizers are in rather than trying to call us hateful, rude, mean….
As for stealing designs, in one of my earlier posts, I did write that 90% of the people are good and kind, it is only the very least 10% that have a problem…are you in the 90% or 10%? If you have a problem, do you simply sit and let the problem walk over you or do you do something about it? I hope you can understand that this is my “Journey through Machine embroidery” blog, my writings, my opinions and simply respect them. If you do not like what I write then why bother to come and abuse me unless you have …..LOL. Good wishes to you my friend, HUGS, Sadia
This is why I no longer do embroidery….and left all yahoo groups.
Response:
Sorry about that friend. What if in our life we are faced with a problem, do we then leave life? I’m sorry for the bluntness but just leaving something is not necessarily going to help any problem rather escalate it and allow others who created the problem to further move their agenda. I hope you will reconsider. Hugs, Sadia